2010 Philadephia Marathon
It was bound to happen sooner or later. 2010 has been a good ride so far: lots of new PR’s, age placements, a BQ. Sooner or later a bad day was going to catch up to me. Sunday was that day.
It started on Saturday; I felt “off”. Something didn’t feel right and I couldn’t put my finger on exactly what it was. Lunch didn’t sit too well inside my stomach and my friend, Maureen, said that perhaps I still had remnants of Thursday’s stomach bug in me. I felt tired. I took a nap as soon as I checked into the hotel in the afternoon. I didn’t have an appetite for dinner on Saturday either.
Sunday morning I couldn’t stomach the coffee which is completely abnormal, despite how bad the coffee actually is. I drank it and had my two waffles plenty early enough for it to begin to digest before the race. We headed over to the starting line (my three running friends and I) and everything was timed perfectly: shed layers, check bags, port-a-john, line up in corral. I found a group of local friends in front of the 3:30 pacer in the corral and waited for the race to start. I was in the 2nd corral this year which was a great corral to be in. The crowd was much thinner in this wave than in the one behind us, which was where I was last year.
We started and as usual it took a the first 3 miles for the crowd to thin out but a lot of this is attributed to the narrow streets of Old City. The woman I was running with had a hard time staying slow so I let her go, pulling her back every now and then. I tried not to waste my breath calling out to her and to stay focused on my own race.
My loose plan was to start with an 8:05 first mile and keep the rest of the first 5 miles at 8:00 pace. Then, I would knock the pace down by 5 seconds for each 5 mile block. So, 8:00-7:55-7:50-7:45-7:40 and then do whatever I could handle for the rest. Actually, those 7:40′s were wishful thinking, I’d take whatever I could get.
Five mile split goals:
5 – 0:40:00
10 – 1:19:00
15 – 1:58:00
20 – 2:36:00
25 – 3:16:00
In the first 12 miles of the race I didn’t trust anything my watch was telling me. I had the auto lap feature turned off so that I could use the Garmin as a chronograph and I’d hit the split button at each mile marker. The lap pace would show the pace as one thing and then when I hit the split button, my split time would show up as completely different. For example, lap pace during a certain mile might show as 7:35 but the split would register as 8:05. I had no idea which was right so I focused more on breathing and how I was feeling instead of the clocks or my watch. I had my 5 mile splits on my arm and that was all that I really bothered with.
I hit mile 5 in 39:01 which meant I had 1 minute in the bank. Overall I felt okay but my legs felt a bit heavy. I knew this was not a good sign and just hoped I could hold on. There was no panic, but I had a feeling of “uh-oh”.
The “hill” or overpass as we headed into University City felt much harder than it should have. This was a mere speed bump compared to the roads where I train and should not have been a big deal. Yet, I noticed it and tried to shrug it off. Mile 9 past Drexel was horrible. It did not feel good. Mile 10 split was 1:18:00, still 1 minute in the bank.
I have never liked the West River Drive portion of this race. The sun is directly in your eyes, you start to feel warm, the crowds are practically non-existent and it’s a really ugly part of the course. You’re on this section for almost 2 miles and it seems to go on forever. I held a pretty consistent pace of 7:50-7:55 along this section. I was glad to see the Art Museum again, running through the half way point in 1:42:xx. I felt heavy and I really wanted to pull off with the half marathoners. I actually considered it. And then I told myself that I had to see this thing through. That right there is a pretty good indicator as to how this race was going for me because I should not have been feeling that bad at the half way point.
I hit mile 15 in 1:57:59. I lost my minute that I had in the bank and now I would have to work to finish within my goal time. And I was feeling bad. My legs were hurting. My breathing was fine, it was easy. But my legs … they were in bad shape. The next 11 miles were going to be rough.
This year’s change of course added a bridge crossing at mile 17. I knew that this was going to be tough and it was! This was the second of 3 turnarounds in the race. I could have definitely done without this and I’m sure a lot of others felt the same way. It’s not easy to pivot 360° around a corner, nor is it very fun to run up the road grade, over a bridge, down the road grade, around a hairpin turn, back up, across the bridge and then down.
After that we head into Manayunk.
Manayunk. Rollers. Not fun and I am losing steam. I look up and see my friend Randy Latza. I forgot he was going to be there and though I was hurting it felt so good to see him there. He asked how I was and I said “okay”. A mile further I find another friend, Mark Will-Weber. He’s so awesome, we slap hands and I head to the final hairpin turnaround. Mile 20. I want to walk. 2:39:16. I have lost 3 minutes. The 3:30 pace group passes me and I have not one ounce of energy to try to get in front of them or even to run with them.
I kiss my goal time goodbye. Strangely, I’m okay with it. I knew the first half of my race was too fast, it caught up with me in the second half. I felt like shit. I tried, and I messed up. I was so lax with my training, my easy runs were slower than I had run them in the past. If I were to do this again I would certainly speed those back up. It helps on race day. I knew I’d still at the very least get a BQ out of today’s effort and that is my overall goal with the marathon: to be able to say I have Boston Qualified in every marathon I’ve run. I have one more marathon, Boston, and then I am done.
It’s amazing the thoughts that flood your brain at any given point in time.
I run past Mark again and hear him cheering me on from the other side of the street. I don’t even look over this time because I am feeling defeated and don’t want to look up. Then there’s Randy, he comes over and runs alongside of me, asks me how I’m feeling. I tell him I just lost my goal time to which he says don’t give up, I’m running about a 1:31:xx pace. For a moment that helps because it means I can still PR. A half a mile later I stop to stretch. Screw it.
I pick it up again and see someone ahead, walking. It’s Shawn Scherr, a friend from kickrunners. I have never met Shawn in person and how the heck I knew it was him from behind is beyond me. As I approach him I look over and say “Shawn”. He recognizes me instantly and I stop to walk with him. He fell off the 3:10 pace group and was walking it in. It wasn’t his day, he said. He continues to talk about how he felt so confident going into this and it just wasn’t his day. I start cursing this damn race and saying how glad I am that it is my last, besides Boston, but that’s just to run it. Not race it. I’m tired of attempting to race a marathon. It’s pure craziness.
We start to run again but not far into that Shawn stops. I tell him I’ll see him at the finish line and continue on. 4 more miles. How will I ever get there? It seems like a million miles away to me. I walk two more times before I get to mile 25. I am so defeated and my legs hurt. All this time I am thinking about my first ultra coming up in March. I’m thinking, “that is going to feel so much easier than this.” Sure, it’s a little further, but I’m not going to be out there trying to race. I’m going out to have fun. What a difference and today seals my feelings about switching to trails.
Mile 25, 3:25:37. That was my #1 goal for today, to finish the marathon in 3:25. I still have over one more mile to go. This sucks.
For brief second I think if I pick it up now, I can run it in hard and still get a PR. Yea, right. That ain’t gonna happen.
I see Maria off to the right in her bright orange. It was so good to see her and I just roll my eyes as if to say “not my day.”
The crowds in the last mile are so amazing. It is so loud and it seems like everyone is reading my name off my bib and yelling it to me. “You look great!”, “You’re almost there!”, “You’ve got it Jill!” The entire time I am so pissed off because I am so far off my pace. Whatever.
So, here’s the one highlight I have which couldn’t have come at a better time. At the finish line the street sort of opens up and I’m running toward the finish with no one around me. I hear Bart [Yasso] talking over the loudspeaker and then I see him just before the finish line. Now, you see, Bart and I are in the local running club together so I get to spend Friday nights at the clubhouse with him and the other club members at our weekly happy hour. I’ve gotten to know Bart over the past 6-8 months when he’s not traveling around the country MCing races. I stick out my hand and he high fives me and then as I’m passing through the timing mats I hear him say over the loudspeaker, “Lehigh Valley Running Scene’s Jill Forsythe just got a BQ”. Thank you Bart. You have no idea how great it was to see a friend as I crossed through the finish line.
This was race #12 for the year and I am officially tired. I stated above that I am done with the marathon. I can not guarantee that I will never run another in my lifetime because honestly, there may come a day when I decide to do another one. Or perhaps I’ll run a destination marathon. My friend and I are talking about doing one out west in CA wine country, or perhaps even Wineglass. Or … if my husband ever decides to run one (he’s expressed interest in both NYC and Great Wall) I would definitely do that with him. However, I am putting this marathon thing on the shelf for a while and focusing on trail running and ultras as well as the half marathon distance and under.
While I did not get the PR I was hoping for, I did BQ.
Official time: 3:36:47 (8:17 avg pace)
Overall: 1800/8925 (20.2%)
Gender: 360/3755 (9.6%)
Age group 40-44: 38/503 (7.6%)
Age Grade: 66.2%
Now I will share with you my splits. My very ugly splits. This is a reverse progression run, the total opposite of what I was hoping to achieve.
mileage – split time [split pace]
m1 – 1.04 – 8:09 [7:50]
m2 – 1.06 – 7:55 [7:28]
m3 – 1.07 – 8:15 [7:42]
m4 – 0.94 – 7:03 [7:30]
m5 – 1.00 – 7:37 [7:37]
m6 – 1.08 – 7:41 [7:07]
m7&8 – 2.03 – 15:28 [7:38]
m9 – 1.04 – 7:58 [7:40]
m10&11 – 2.02 – 15:57 [7:53]
m12 – 1.01 -7:54 -[7:49]
m13 – 1.01 – 8:03 [8:00]
m14 – 1.00 – 7:50 [7:49]
m15 – 1.01 – 8:04 [7:49]
m16 – 1.01 – 8:10 [8:07]
m17 – 0.99 – 8:08 [8:13]
m18 – 1.00 – 8:11 [8:13]
m19 – 1.00 – 8:18 [8:17]
m20 – 1.01 – 8:28 [8:26]
m21 – 1.01 – 8:42 [8:38]
m22 – 1.01 – 8:54 [8:49]
m23 – 1.01 – 9:43 [9:38]
m24 – 1.01 – 9:14 [9:10]
m25 – 1.02 – 9:46 [9:34]
m26.2 – 1.24 – 11:13 [9:03]

it’s tough to feel not your day on marathon day. you really stuck with yourself to the end though. and bq’ed! great time, really.. you will get your goals soon i have no doubt.
Thanks Lacey. It is tough and frustrating to feel “off” on race day. I guess it happens to everyone sooner or later.
Jill, you finished an incredibly difficult day with an amazing time. I am so proud of you! I know how you feel about the stomach issues – it is something you just can’t prepare for. I thought I did everything right this past time and I have no idea what happened – I could barely stomach breakfast the morning of the race.
I’m so glad you finished and didn’t call it quits at the 13.1 mile mark. You trained hard! I made the same mistake last weekend – going out fast – even though I could tell right off the bat that I was not feeling it.
You are an amazing runner – I hope to see you at some of the local races in the next few months leading up to Boston!
Thanks.
LOL – I am not even thinking about races Allison. I don’t know how you do it. Must be that young body. I am so tired. It’s been a long year for me. I will be out on the trails though. Maybe in December we can meet up for some runs, okay?
Sounds great! I’m dying to do the Trexler loop again :)
Jill – first of all, great job! Marathons are the beast of races, and to have the day you really want, pretty much everything has to fall into place. Even if you’ve done all the training and preparation, sometimes it just doesn’t happen. So on those days you gut it out and fight for something, which you did, and that you got it is fantastic. Be proud of that.
Another thought…after my own similar type of day in New York 2 weeks ago. I’m beginning to wonder if the big mega-event marathons are really a place to PR. Travel, logistics, crowded expos perhaps add some stress that saps energy? Maybe a smaller marathon is better? Granted, I PRed at Boston back in April, but my #2 and #3 times were at Charlotte and Outer Banks.
Either way I don’t think Boston will be your last marathon. Just sayin’.
Thanks Chris. Your daily support means so much to me and I love virtually training through the season with you and our other forum friends. I’m thinking the same thing about smaller marathons.
Congrats on finishing marathon #3!
I agree with what some of the previous comments said. You can have the best training cycle ever and then for no apparent reason just not have a great day. To achieve what you are capable of does require that the stars be aligned and everything has to fall into place. You got lucky with your first two (not saying that you didn’t put in the hard work and race great, because you did, but in the sense that everything else aligned for you those days too). This time you weren’t so lucky. What is important is that you put all that you had on this particular day out there and finished (you would have been so mad at yourself – later – if you had stopped at 13.1). You still had a super speedy time and you should be proud.
And I agree with Chris, Boston won’t be your last. :-)
Thanks RFTL.
I agree, Boston probably won’t be my last marathon but I need to put it on the shelf for a while.
Running those easy runs slow in training may have had something to do with it, I came to the same conclusion awhile back but it’s tough because the coaches always tell you to run them at the prescribed pace, NOT faster.
Then again you weren’t feeling on top of your game to begin with. I guess the best thing is just to PR somewhere, doesn’t have to be a marathon, just to convince yourself that you’re not getting too old and haven’t reached your peak yet.
Who are you calling old? ;) I have finally resigned myself to the fact that I am, and will always be, a masters runner. Yes, every now and then there is still a sense of regret for not knowing what my capabilites could have been as a younger runner, but I chose the path I chose and such is life.
Jill, I had a race similar to yours in Eugene. Stomach issues the entire 3 days before the race and unable to eat much (1/2 a banana) the morning of. It really caught up to me towards the end of the race…a very different type of tired that I’ve never felt running or racing before. Just totally exhausted.
Racing marathons is tricky, it’s difficult for everything to come together on the race regardless of how well the training cycle goes. We’ve all been there, but it doesn’t make it any easier or more fun.
I ran Boston as a long training run a couple of years ago and had a BLAST, a total BLAST. You will love it!
Thanks Jen. Marathons are such a gamble. I am certainly looking forward to the Boston experience.
Missing a goal can be quite deflating. Try to reflect on how much you have accomplished (I would trade you ;-), and knowing you did the preparation right. think when the smoke clears you’ll be (rightly) proud of yourself for gutting it out instead of stepping off at 13.1. Now enjoy the trail madness!
You’re right Bob. I would have kicked myself pretty hard if I had stopped at 13.1 miles.
To the trails!
oh my gosh, Jill, you have so much to feel proud of! You did awesome! I totally know the feeling of watching that pace group pass by and then fade off into the distance…for me, when it happened, there was a dual feeling: one of not giving a sh&t and one of utter disappointment. But you are an awesome runner! Your time at all three marathons you have run is phenomenal. And Bart Yasso personally called you out across the finish line!! That, my friend, doesn’t happen to every runner–only to very dedicated, talented runners who work very hard to achieve their goals. i don’t think anything was wrong with your training. I think it was an off day. It happens…to everyone.
Thanks Elizabeth.
So, how is that speed training of yours going? I haven’t been making my blog rounds lately.
If it makes you feel any better, 11 minutes off goal time isn’t too shabby once the wheels fall off. ;) :bow down: You had a great season and are in great shape. I wasn’t in your shoes, but being that I have tried to hit 3:25 many times and am VERY familiar with those splits, I can definitely say I think your first few miles were a bif factor. You went out aggressively and I am willing to bet the 7:2x and 7:0x miles really contributed to everything going downhill. I am guilty of doing the same thing – those early miles are critical.
Who knows – the marathon is a beast. That is why racing it is such a rush and brings us back for more if we can manage finishing with a smile. :) That said, I’ve come off hard to swallow races, so I feel for you. But stick with it. You are a great runner and have much ground to cover yet here. I look forward to watching you dominate Boston!
Thanks Mindi. I know that you know exactly how I am feeling. Sometimes I really hate the Garmin! It really messed with me in those early miles and screwed me up. Looking back, I did go out too aggressively but at the time I had no idea what my pace actually was which is why I stopped bothering to check my mile splits and looked at my five mile splits instead. I’m thinking that Boston won’t screw with my watch as much? What do you think?
I think Boston is a hard course to gauge because the first 7 miles are all downhill so it is really, really hard not to roll with it and go too fast. It is a hard course and lots of people have different advice for it. I did it 2x and still have not conquered it. But my advice would be to go out much more slowly than feels right.
Jill,
I am sorry you had such a tough day. Your vivid account of the race reminded me of my own experience in the Poconos in May and in Dublin last October.
There is a great running blog called running though the fog that is well worth reading. Its good for reminding one that at our level running should be about the process as much if not more than the outcome.
After reading your account of the race I realised that you may well have been discouraged when you shouted out much appreciated words of encouragement to me on the out and back part of the bridge around mile 17. Thank you for those words and for reminding me that the way we behave towards each other in a race is as important as the targets we reach or miss.
Brendan, you’re right. When I saw you around mile 17 I was really starting to hurt. BUT … I cannot tell you how great it was to see you having such a great race out there! I knew it when I saw you so far ahead of me. Congratulations!!! At last!
Man, do I know that feeling of the legs just not being there.
It was good to see you in the morning before the race, and as you passed through mile 26 (I thought you saw me on your left). Congrats on a solid time, despite the rough day!
I’m glad I was able to find you race morning Lora. It was good to see you again. Hope you enjoyed your volunteer gig and yes, I heard you yelling near the finish line. Thanks for that!
Still, a solid time and another BQ! Congrats on that.
Thanks Nitmos.
PS – becoming a master is fun! You’ll see.
Not a bad time and BQ! Congratulations!
Thank you. :)
Jill, So sorry to hear you didn’t meet your goals… but you still had an amazing race! To be able to say you qualified for Boston in every marathon you ran is quite something :) I know what you mean about shelving the marathon for awhile. I can’t wait to read about your prep for the ultra! Which one are you doing? –Alex
Thanks Alex.
I’m running the HAT 50k in March. I’m really looking forward to it. I have several friends who will be running it, some as their first ultra as well. It should be a great time.
This was incredible to read – these days are so so hard, especially feeling almost defeated at the 13.1 mark, but you’re such a strong runner. Not everyone would’ve kept that pace for a still very impressive Marathon time :) I know it’s all relative at this point, but I hope you’re proud of the effort you continued to put forth, despite the set backs.
Bart calling out your site, your name and your accomplishment? Awesome! :) Loved that.